Because of these differences one can use a higher lofted titanium driver and launch the ball higher with less spin than its persimmon counterpart giving one another 58 yards. The general concensus right or wrong is that the difference between the persimmon and balata vs wonder metal and modern ball is about 50 yards, 25 for the club and 25 for the ball, this based on experimentation by various manufacturers, callaway among them. How hard is it to hit and how much of a difference did it. Modern metal headed driver, mark crossfield and dan take on this old vs new. Add to this, a ball which spins less off the driver, than it did in the persimmon days, with a little higher speed, one can add another 8. Macgregor tourney persimmon head with true temper tour shaft from 1949. Playing persimmon in the titanium age advanced ball striking. Develop a better understanding from the feedback of our natural persimmon club heads. With the help of the worlds best golfer, taylor woods, the company claims that it is the fastest and the straightest driver.
In this section, we will be exploring five types of headphone drivers that you should know about. See how things have changed and if the old wooden drivers can still be used with. Titanium has a higher strength to weight ratio than steel and has better corrosion resistance, so it is an ideal metal for golf club construction. The wedgewood gold series hybrid driver features a premium titanium 460cc head, a harrison filamentwound graphite shaft and a golf pride new decade grip. In the real world this racks up the strokes on the card.
Persimmon, however, is more accurate than metal, having greater gear effect than any other clubhead material. The driver speed was likely achieved by weight reduction. Titanium is lighter, stronger and more elastic that other metals. Launch monitor test results standard brand name drivers vs variable weight technology drivers amateur golfer with an average 90 mph driver swing speed using standard brand name vs variable weight tech 4748 drivers using drivers designed for high swing speed tour players or long drive contestants offers no benefit for average golfers. This is what i started playing golf with with my old man as a yo in 1997. Are titanium drivers really that much better than wood drivers. I knew id like it, but for some reason i decided to dig out an old hogan apex persimmon driver from my attic to do a direct comparison.
New variable weight technology provides up to 30 more yards for senior men and women with slow swing speeds. Also the newer driver is likely a lot more balanced. Nov 03, 2014 what advantage does modern driver technology actually provide the golfer over a steel shafted persimmon club. Internal titanium back weight positions center of gravity for optimal trajectory. In 1995, grand golfs grand tag titanium driver also made. I dropped golf for a number of years only to come back to all the grapefruit sized hollow shells of titanium and decided they werent for me and how i wanted to play the game. When he switched to the old byron nelson persimmon driver but kept the current ball. With a persimmon driver, if you didnt hit it on the screws, it was anyones. Enjoy renewed distance and more forgiveness in an easy to swing driver. Does anyone know the size, in cc, of a persimmon driver. Each week the designers and their drivers will be put through the rigorous scrutiny of the judges, engineers and testers.
Smart probe persimmon driver demo graphite shaft nr. The other assumption is that the 220y length of a titanium driver would only be 202y, if it was made to the same length and weight of a persimmon. Taylormades first metal driver debuted three years after pinseeker, which was quickly on its way to obscurity. I enjoyed golf so much more woth the balata balls and persimmon woods of. Callaway did some tests three years ago with a persimmon driver and a ball from the 1990s, comparing it to an hx tour ball and modern driver. Get the best deals on driver steel shaft golf clubs persimmon wood head when. In 1979, golf was changed forever with the introduction of the pittsburgh persimmon the original metalwood. Titleist 975j vs driver clubs that are stamped or engraved will be automatically receive the below average value. An exact replica only solid usa persimmon this time around. Mar 26, 2008 persimmon vs titanium frank, i truly enjoyed the honesty you. Driver reality series on golf channel, the industrial designer. Testing the performance of drivers of different eras. Despite the highend insert, the smart ti retains the forgiving gear effects of persimmon.
Callaway driver titanium head golf clubs for sale ebay. I purchased a classic fifties persimmon driver from louisville golf. Where drivers were once smallheaded clubs made from wood, they are now 460cc monsters made from some of the most advanced metals in the world. Jun 25, 2010 the 50 yard differential claim that is tossed about nowadays is a combination of driver and ball. The fws could compare to a hybrid by todays standards. How much better are todays drivers and why are they better. I started playing golf with a wood driver and quickly found my way into the metal wood family, which was replaced by titanium shortly afterward.
The face of a persimmon driver does deform a little at impact but not very much and the resulting ball velocity off persimmon is. Todays modern ball as you pointed out is designed for the titanium beastsharder to compress with persimmon in general i would think going by the yardages you suggested you already hit the ball you would lose maybe 10% with the driver and around 5 to 7% with the 3 wood to begin with but the swing will improve in leaps and bounds as you have already suggested you had some great. The m5 driver is the driver that was released just a few months ago and until now it has been praised as the fastest driver that taylormade has ever made. Driver leaderboard, created to help fans follow along each week with the how the drivers ranked in competition. A poorly produced quad driver headphone will not rival a wellmade single driver headphone. For a 95mph swing speed that equates to a loss of about 8y over a true ti face, with all else being equal. Today, many metal wood clubfaces and most driver clubfaces are constructed out of titanium.
Available in standard, draw bias and offset drivers. Taylormade produced a standardsized head metal driver in 1979 with a famous tag on the sole of the club, pittsburg persimmon, a nod to the steel city and the material utilized for the club. The advent of titanium clubs in the 1990s was a major step forward in the science and technology of golf club design. I know golftraders has a bunch of them, but if any ozgolfers have one theyd consider moving please let me know. These are the last players to win a major with persimmon. Get the best deals on callaway driver titanium head golf clubs and upgrade your home workout gear with the largest online selection at.
Titanium what advantage does modern driver technology actually provide the golfer over a steel shafted persimmon club. Jun 11, 2018 40 year old driver takes on a modern metal headed driver, mark crossfield and dan take on this old vs new golf challenge using a old cobra wooden headed driver compared to the modern day metal. Lastly, there are drivers with different types of core mechanism. A persimmon driver with a steel shaft is going to swing a lot heavier than a titanium driver with a high performance graphite shaft. Oversized persimmon driver has greater gear effect for more accuracy, and superior feel thanks to the black cycolac insert and abbreviated soleplate. Higher clubhead speed players had a greater percentage increase in distance. Very large size drivers 300500cc arrived with titanium metallurgy which meant reasonable headweights could be achieved with very large thin. Each golfer hit series of shots with their own driver and another with the persimmon driver.
Apr 16, 2019 to celebrate the 40th anniversary of adams industrychanging technology, taylormade created the smallerheaded original one mini driver thats closer in size to the pittsburgh persimmon but. Enjoy the lightest, easiest to swing golf driver for senior men and women. Fitted with the all new caldera 38 gram feather light graphite shaft it stores energy in the downswing for stress free power at impact. Interestingly, the modern driver was edged out by our 2000s driver. Nov 23, 2016 when eric sillies homemade driver design the triton was declared the winner tuesday night on the final episode of the driver vs. For the past 40 years, taylormade has continued that legacy of innovation with gamechanging technologies, engineered to help golfers perform at their best. Because cor of a driver has been limited by the usga. This is the third part in the series where ive looked at the differences between titanium and persimmon and balata and pro v1. When you look at drivers youll see the most dramatic changes in design and performance. Gear effect and the case for persimmon drivers louisville golf. A quick history of the evolution of the golf driver. Best golf ball for persimmon woods site for golfers. Almost all have come to associate successful drives with a certain steel or titanium sounding crack.
More care must be taken to preserve the wood than with the modern materials. The length of your driver should be a length that you can swing fast and control. From the hickories in the 1920s to titanium drivers of 2009, there was an average. Hi gents, looking to get my hands on a decent nick persimmon driver with a steel shaft. Our woods are available with hickory or steel shafts and are durably constructed to ensure longevity and style. The next time you get fitted please try shafts of different lengths. I assume that is based on the proportions of shaftlength. Nov 24, 2005 persimmon vs metal, facts vs science golf equipment posted by 29 may 2003 12. The thing i like about a good persimmon driver is its centered mass kinda the same as tm steel pittsburgh persimmons very similar actually. Are titanium drivers really that much better than wood. What is the big lb model of hiro honma persimmon woods. Our persimmon woods are made from 100% usa grown persimmon trees. Mcilroy was on the range with his driver made of titanium and a shaft of graphite and hit a newage ball over the 90foot fence.
The premium 460cc titanium head combined with wedgewoods hybrid technology produces amazing results. I was only able to carry the persimmon driver 219 yards for a total distance of 238 on average. Metal wood players have swings tuned to low spin with driver sweet spots high on the face. I find that my old driver is heavyer and thus enables me to swing it better. Even more out of a new titanium driver oplease subscribe. Club engineers and designers are especially excited about using titanium to improve the performance. But i do still have my persimmon from about 10 years ago which i use at the driving range to help me with my tempo. According to the 1994 catalog, they attempted to achieve a degree of perimeter weighting with this driver. Independent tests conducted by both the usga and golf labs in california compared the relative performance of persimmon and titanium drivers. Won a major in 1989, the pga championship, in a maple laminate version. Persimmon wood players had high spin balls and the driver sweet spot was center of the face. Jun 29, 2015 when looking at the group average, the modern driver was 30 yards ahead of the persimmon driver and yards ahead of the driver from the 90s. A matching embroidered headcover is included with every hybrid driver. Add to this, a ball which spins less off the driver, than it did in the persimmon days, with a little higher speed, one can add another 8 10 yards.
A few months back i had an old steel shafted persimmon club out on my lesson tee. Get the best deals on powerbilt driver golf clubs when you shop the largest online selection at. They are beautifully finished with a red face insert and a deep mahogany stain that shows the gorgeous persimmon grain. The first golf clubs made from titanium date back to the early 1990s and quickly became the material of choice for driver heads due to the high strengthtoweight ratio.
Designed for senior golfers with slow swing speeds it provides an ultra light driver that offers forgiveness, control and effortless distance. Along with our friends at club champion, we thought it would be fun to see how the best new driver in golf compares to drivers from five to fifteen years ago and a classic persimmon driver. These large heads have a higher moi moment of inertia than the smaller woodenheads and thus do not twist as much on offcentered impacts. The ball will stay in contact with titanium driver face for longer by approximately 0.
Taylormade m1 best driver overall winner titleist 915 d2 best driver runnerup cobra max best budget driver for high. Testing the performance of drivers of different eras miles of golf. A few days ago i took out my tony penna persimmon driver and my current titleist. In the mgs test, they kept rehitting the drivers and eliminating the mishits. Dec 08, 2017 in this persimmon driver test, gm digital editor neil tappin hits a 25 year old driver putting it up against his own titleist 917 d2. The same goes for hitting a modern ball with an old persimmon driver. Testing the performance of drivers of different eras miles. So youre not losing speed due to the weight being all over the place. Roughly onehalf the increase in distance % took place between the late persimmon early stainless steel drivers of the 1980s and the current titanium. To celebrate the 40th anniversary of adams industrychanging technology, taylormade created the smallerheaded original one mini driver thats closer in size to the pittsburgh persimmon but.
A wood is a type of club used in the sport of golf. First, the modern drivers average was hurt by a couple of truly awful mishits. Hybrid drivers hybrid driver golf clubs wedgewood gold series. Hello, i just found this site and it looks like you guys might be able to answer my question.
Driving distance on the pga tour has increased from the early 80s, when persimmon drivers were the primary club around 260 yards to today when the primary driving club is titanium about 287 yards. I had a hiro honma persimmon driver i bought and really loved back in the 90s but lost somewhere down the line. Jul 12, 2011 you are not alone, there are more of us out here than you might expect. Although titanium is primarily used in drivers, you may find fairway clubs, irons and shafts made of titanium. I had one young female student ask about the club and she stated she had never before seen a wooden club she was born in the very late 90s let alone hit one. Current roll is fine, though some like tom wishon have done away with roll below the center of the face. Did you use a modern ball such as a titleist prov1 or v1x with the persimmon clubs. I too miss the sound of persimmon but i can tell you that the geareffect is alive and well with the big titanium heads. I went to the range a few days ago, and i have to say that after hitting the persimmon driver, i felt. Persimmon drivers have tighter dispersion and thus are more accurate than titanium metal drivers. This driver is the goto club for equipment purists who crave more yardage. Shots took off low and rose gradually because of spin and swing impact approach angle. Manufacturers can also make clubheads with greater volume, which increases the hitting area, and thinner.
Thats what ive been doing and since most of my persimmon golf is. They are available in 11 driver, 2wood, 16 3wood, 18 4wood and 21 5. Nov 03, 2014 driver data was collected for 8 golfers 6 males and 2 females 2 golfers had swing speeds in the 70s, 2 in the 80s, 2 in the 90s and 2 in the 100s. Ben hogan driver righthanded golf clubs for sale ebay. The weight improves your swing and timing and makes you nail it with a proper spine angle, with todays club as feather sticks shafts and huge heads you just need to be about right while swinging 118 mph and will achieve play ability and 30 yards more distance sometimes. In the case of a persimmon or laminate driver, they tend to start out more to the left or right, before coming back to the fairway. Tommy armour golf 845 forged persimmon drivers user. In 1993, i bought a set of 1200, system 45, by wilson metal woods the size of the driver s head doesnt seem to be any larger than a persimmon. Titanium is lighter than stainless steel and allows the designer to manufacturer a much larger club head that meets the weight. From persimmon to metal to todays titanium monsters. I can tell you from personal experience that if you hit an old rock with a modern titanium driver the results will not be good. That is a shame because many would benefit greatly from the control and precision of this fine, oversized, persimmon club. Wrdw from coffee tables, to lamps, and everything in between, jeff diamond has found a new use for old golf clubs. One found persimmon longer, the other titanium, but neither variant exceeded 2% or so.
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